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Report - Hydro turbine - Wensleydale - January 2023

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tigger

mog
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Towards the end of a 20 mile walk in the rain, dropping back down into the valley a nice reward.

Small scale hydro-electric plants are not new. For the wealthy or people who liked their toys they were a must have during the late 1800s. By 1900 they were much more common and wealthy landowners would often provide some limited electricity for rural villages via a turbine in a mill....a couple of light bulbs per house and maybe a half dozen street lights. Small businesses also realised water was like having free (Nestle hadn't bought it all yet) power.

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This vortex turbine was made in 1902 by Gilbert Gilkes & Co. It wasn't here however and I don't know who it was first sold to.

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Jump forward to 1936 and a local garage owner with a decent waterfall 300 yards away wanted electricity in his workshop (and house in the evening) so he bought a secondhand turbine and dynamo to provide it (mains electricity wouldn't reach the area for another 25 years). Once mains arrived the majority of these small systems rapidly went out of use. People were 'encouraged' to adopt mains electricity and standards. Sometimes the relatively new equipment in mills and by streams was recovered for scrap but a lot was just left behind. Later the copper fairies descended.
The larger 'local' systems in mills and factories lasted a bit longer but when abstraction charges were introduced in the mid 1960s their fate was sealed too.

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No record of the dynano manufactuer and all trace of it has gone.

Water was taken from above the waterfall via an earthenware pipe which is now broken.

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Lord Kelvin'e brother, Professor Thomson at Belfast University patented the vortex turbine and made it much more efficient by utilising variable guide vanes. Williamson Brothers in Kendal purchased non-exclusve rights to produce these and had supplied around 400 turbines (not all were Thomson Vortex type) between 1856 and 1881 when they sold their business to Gilbert Gilkes. Gilkes (pronounced 'Jilks') are still a private limited company and headquarterd at the Kendal site.

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Calamity Jane

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Lovely report. 20 miles :eek: Id be hurting for weeks. Lovely images and great narration. The water look cold and fast flowing. Free electric sounds appealing today lol
 

tigger

mog
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Whilst it won't matter to most people it did to me so a bit more history:

Originally supplied to Colonel Balfour who sold it on in 1924 to J Dunlop & Co.. Bought from them in the 1930s by T Grubb, a dealer in secondhand machinery in Lancaster. They sold it to the garage (along with another one that I might post at some point).
 

WoodenFossil

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Whilst it won't matter to most people it did to me so a bit more history:

Originally supplied to Colonel Balfour who sold it on in 1924 to J Dunlop & Co.. Bought from them in the 1930s by T Grubb, a dealer in secondhand machinery in Lancaster. They sold it to the garage (along with another one that I might post at some point).
Hi Tigger. Well, I'm interested in the installation. Chances are, my father's work colleague installed and maintained this turbine. On the alternator, probably a DC Brook-Crompton or Brush, charging large, glass lead-acid accumulator cells for the guarantee of continuous building supplies.
My father was Bill Clarkson's apprentice at T. Grubbs from 1949-55 (after which my father did National Service [RAF Electrical Engineering]) before returning to T Grubbs to continue as an electrical engineer. Bill was primarily involved in water-turbine generator system installation and maintenance.
Grubbs main work was engineering, so complete turbine system installation was 'bread and butter'. I am aware of one other turbine of this type that is still in use, as I worked with my father to replace the original alternator with a modern, lighter and more powerful unit back in the mid-late 90s.
My father was very interested in your discovery! Really nice photos!
 

tigger

mog
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Hi Tigger. Well, I'm interested in the installation. Chances are, my father's work colleague installed and maintained this turbine. On the alternator, probably a DC Brook-Crompton or Brush, charging large, glass lead-acid accumulator cells for the guarantee of continuous building supplies.
My father was Bill Clarkson's apprentice at T. Grubbs from 1949-55 (after which my father did National Service [RAF Electrical Engineering]) before returning to T Grubbs to continue as an electrical engineer. Bill was primarily involved in water-turbine generator system installation and maintenance.
Grubbs main work was engineering, so complete turbine system installation was 'bread and butter'. I am aware of one other turbine of this type that is still in use, as I worked with my father to replace the original alternator with a modern, lighter and more powerful unit back in the mid-late 90s.
My father was very interested in your discovery! Really nice photos!

Thanks very much for taking the time to post the reply and potential extra information. There are several old Gilkes 'Thomson' Vortex units still in use in the UK and abroad. Several more which 'could' be used.
 

Morf

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Hi Tigger. Well, I'm interested in the installation. Chances are, my father's work colleague installed and maintained this turbine. On the alternator, probably a DC Brook-Crompton or Brush, charging large, glass lead-acid accumulator cells for the guarantee of continuous building supplies.
My father was Bill Clarkson's apprentice at T. Grubbs from 1949-55 (after which my father did National Service [RAF Electrical Engineering]) before returning to T Grubbs to continue as an electrical engineer. Bill was primarily involved in water-turbine generator system installation and maintenance.
Grubbs main work was engineering, so complete turbine system installation was 'bread and butter'. I am aware of one other turbine of this type that is still in use, as I worked with my father to replace the original alternator with a modern, lighter and more powerful unit back in the mid-late 90s.
My father was very interested in your discovery! Really nice photos!
Hi WoodenFossil,
I’m one of the volunteers at Gayle Mill near Hawes in North Yorkshire, just down the road from this turbine and therefore presumably your father. We have no less than 3 vortex turbines (including one Williamson that pre-dates Gilkes), all of which are working to at least some extent - the Williamson directly powers the machinery in the mill. the 1920’s Gilkes runs a dynamo to illuminate lights for demonstration purposes, and a 2006(ish) Gilkes which feeds back into the grid (or at least will do when the control electronics are fettled).

The reason I’m contacting you is because of the middle of these three, the 1920’s Gilkes. We’ve got this turbine running again after several years out of action, and it spins the dynamo ok but doesn’t generate. I described the problem on our facebook page ( ).

If your father has any advice or information he can offer to help us getting this working, we’d very much appreciate his help - either here, on Facebook, or in person at the Mill on any Thursday when we’re open. We can’t pay him, unfortunately - our funds are minimal - but we can offer plentiful supplies of Yorkshire tea and biscuits and lots of enthusiastic help!

Thanks!
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