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Report - Rural Pump Houses 4, Loadsa Listers (2019-2023)

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urbanchemist

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This post is a collection of byproducts from trips looking for hydraulic rams or waterwheel pumps.
Sometimes the older and more interesting equipment has gone and all that’s left is a petrol or diesel-powered pump, or remains thereof.

Many firms made engines and pumps, but to keep things to a reasonable length only sites which contain machinery by R A Lister and Co are listed here.



Background. Listers was founded in 1867 in Dursley, Gloucestershire, making agricultural stuff.
However it became best known for its engines, which were produced in large numbers and were widely exported, particularly to commonwealth countries.
Lister, now called Lister Petter, is still making diesels - there are some posts on here exploring the remains of the old Lister Petter factory in Dursley.

They also made water pumps, among other things, and marketed engine-pump combos such as the one shown below.



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Lister equipment was not cheap, but it was reliable and long lasting - it’s popular among certain types who restore them, paint them green, and wheel them around shows on little trolleys.

There’s a rather slow moving summary of most things Lister here if you’re interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBLfyhophsY&ab_channel=Atlantic




Disclaimer. I don’t know much about engines, and Lister produced many varieties making identification tedious if bits are missing.
However if there’s a legible nameplate there are websites where you can look up the details although I won’t include them here.

Most of the examples below are variations of the ‘D’ petrol model which are rather common - one appeared in a recent post on waterwheel pumps (# 4).

My only personal experience of a Lister is with an ancient cement mixer - this was started by cranking a handle, then disengaging it quickly once the thing futt-futt-futted into life.





A. Hoaldalbert, Monmouthshire.
This first example is typical, found at a site marked ‘pumping station’ on a 1899 map.
The only thing in the little shed was a black plastic water tank with a submersible electric pump.
However outside the door a mossy flywheel was visible and a bit of excavation revealed the characteristic rectangular lump of an old model D.
It would presumably have driven a pump, but no sign of that.



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B. Lingen, Herefordhire.
Shown as a ‘hydraulic pump’ in 1885, whatever was here was replaced by a fairly recent (1962) air-cooled diesel - again the pump has gone.



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C. Penrhos, Monmouthshire.
The ‘pumping house’ here appears between 1900 and 1918 - inside is a Lister pump but no engine.
The pump is an H1 model - there was also an old manual lying around.
Lister made a series of these shallow well double acting pumps of increasing size named H1, H2, H3 etc.
‘Shallow well’ just means a well no deeper than about 25 feet, otherwise the pump would have to be at the bottom.



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D. Whitby, Yorkshire.
The site was labelled as a ‘well house’ in 1893 and contained the remains of a Lister CS (an early diesel model) and probably another H1 pump.
I only seem to have a single picture of these.



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E. North Aston, Oxfordshire.
The site is labelled as a ‘force pump’ in 1880.
At first I thought there was nothing left under the remains of the hut, but a bit of excavation yielded a model D engine and an H2 pump.



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F. Risbury, Herefordshire.
Labelled as a ‘hydraulic pump’ in 1902, whatever was here moved around - it was at a different place in 1927, and what I found was about 100 yards away from this.
The tin hut contained the partially buried remains of another model D engine and H2 pump which I put back upright on some sleepers.



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G. Stroud, Gloucestershire.
Two hydraulic rams are shown by 1920 in a field outside town.
One was still there, but the other seems to have replaced by yet another model D/H2 combination, recognisably the same setup as shown in the ad at the beginning.



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Because they were so popular, there are a lot of these old Listers still around, typically found in farm outbuildings or barns if you spend much time in the countryside.
 

tigger

mog
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Basically force pump = not water-powered, but I'll let @tigger expound on this one.

mmmm....

So, a force pump is generally one that operates with a plunger - in a similar way to old bicycle pumps, old (as in the days of brass) plant sprayers, old water fire extinguishers etc. (I'm old but not quite that old!). They can operate via suction or lift. Power was often from a cranked waterwheel if there was a ready supply of moving water. The typical windpump is a force pump powered by sails. Since the advent of small infernal combustion engines these quickly took over as they allowed more flexible siting.

Sir Samuel Morland, Master of Mechanics to King Charles II patented a a plunge-pump made of cast iron and more significantly he invented the stuffed gland - without which many pieces of rotating and pressure equipment wouldn't function. James Watt somehow steals the credit for the stuffed gland in some references and without it his early steam engines wouldn't have worked.

If anyone really wants to know the nitty-gritty of this stuff I'd suggest seeking medical help before it's too late.

Have to say those Listers look far better in your photos than they do painted green and displayed doing nothing useful on rainy sundays around the world.
 
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urbanchemist

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OK, I’ll go with a force pump as anything with a plunger, however powered.

A confounding factor is that map labels probably depend on the surveyor, and what’s left at a location might not be what was originally there.

For the site labelled force pump in this collection there’s also an older looking hydraulic ram (unknown make) right next door, which doesn’t appear on maps, unless it was the original ‘force pump’.

The upshot is that you have to look at everything.
 

tigger

mog
Regular User
For the site labelled force pump in this collection there’s also an older looking hydraulic ram (unknown make) right next door, which doesn’t appear on maps, unless it was the original ‘force pump’.

The small woodland is called Ram Spinney..and yes, hydraulic ram pumps did sometimes get marked as 'force pumps'. They shouldn't have been based on the surveyors guidelines but even today the same thing happens with OS maps (to a much lesser extent luckily)
 

Mikeymutt

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Really nice collection once again. I remember when younger working on building sites using them mixers with the old handles to start them up. I remember one lad cranking it and not getting the handle out in time. The old dumpers use to have the same style crank handle as well.
 

urbanchemist

28DL Regular User
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The small woodland is called Ram Spinney..and yes, hydraulic ram pumps did sometimes get marked as 'force pumps'. They shouldn't have been based on the surveyors guidelines but even today the same thing happens with OS maps (to a much lesser extent luckily)
I'd noticed that, but would need older maps than I have access to to know if ram meant pump or sheep.
Plenty of 'pump house woods', 'engine house dingles' and the like on old maps though so quite possible.
 
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